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	<title>Comments on: No gay Christmas orgy for you</title>
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	<description>candour is good</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
		<link>http://www.serialdeviant.org/weblog/2004/12/15/no-gay-christmas-orgy-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8285</link>
		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2004 02:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cat, pigeons, Terry... Yeeha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat, pigeons, Terry&#8230; Yeeha!</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.serialdeviant.org/weblog/2004/12/15/no-gay-christmas-orgy-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8278</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, just look at how well accepted it is in the US for male clergy to molest boys. It is fine as long as it does not happen on the playground in public view. It has been going on so long that it almost seems like nobody cares it happened, except for the boys it happened to. :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, just look at how well accepted it is in the US for male clergy to molest boys. It is fine as long as it does not happen on the playground in public view. It has been going on so long that it almost seems like nobody cares it happened, except for the boys it happened to. :p</p>
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		<title>By: andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.serialdeviant.org/weblog/2004/12/15/no-gay-christmas-orgy-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8108</link>
		<dc:creator>andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2004 00:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damien, I agree, and that's why I think we need to challenge the prevalent point of view. If social conservatives are constantly greeted with male-male, female-female, and male-female couples in society, it'll all become normal. In time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damien, I agree, and that&#8217;s why I think we need to challenge the prevalent point of view. If social conservatives are constantly greeted with male-male, female-female, and male-female couples in society, it&#8217;ll all become normal. In time.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.serialdeviant.org/weblog/2004/12/15/no-gay-christmas-orgy-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8075</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my take: homosexuals have to be LESS blatant than heterosexuals. Whether one likes it or not, two men kissing has a much higher chance of causing offence than a 'lovey-dovey' heterosexual couple....anywhere in the world. Ironically, gay-bashing isn't exactly uncommon in the West whereas in Asia, one might just get disapproving looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my take: homosexuals have to be LESS blatant than heterosexuals. Whether one likes it or not, two men kissing has a much higher chance of causing offence than a &#8216;lovey-dovey&#8217; heterosexual couple&#8230;.anywhere in the world. Ironically, gay-bashing isn&#8217;t exactly uncommon in the West whereas in Asia, one might just get disapproving looks.</p>
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		<title>By: andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.serialdeviant.org/weblog/2004/12/15/no-gay-christmas-orgy-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8013</link>
		<dc:creator>andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's kind of the point, I guess. I don't think homosexuals are any more blatant about their sexuality than heterosexuals - there are of course extremists in both cases. What I'm not happy with is how they've gone with the stereotype to justify their decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s kind of the point, I guess. I don&#8217;t think homosexuals are any more blatant about their sexuality than heterosexuals - there are of course extremists in both cases. What I&#8217;m not happy with is how they&#8217;ve gone with the stereotype to justify their decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction: i meant to write 'PINK dollar', not 'ink dollar'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction: i meant to write &#8216;PINK dollar&#8217;, not &#8216;ink dollar&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money isn't the real issue actually- people, especially critics of singapore, assumed that when the government allowed gay bars to operate, acknowledged the presence of gay civil servants, and called for greater tolerance of 'diversity' among Singaporeans, it was all to chase the 'ink dollar.'Critics were quick to sneer at the 'mercenary nature' of the government.
Of course, the police refusal to grant the permit has shot down this notion. There are  many people who are genuinely discomforted by blatant displays of homosexuality. And rightly or wrongly, the government has to consider the feelings of this majority. One only needs to read letters sent to the local daily to confirm this.
Contrary to stereotypes of Singapore being cold,  clinical, and a 'nanny state', things are never that simple. The problem is not solely due to the 'bureaucrats'. even in the US, Europe, and Australia, its citizens are still grappling with legalizing gay marriage, allowing gay priests into the church, and genuine public acceptance of people with homosexual inclinations. As Singaporean society matures (it has only enjoyed 40 years of independence), people will naturally become more tolerant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money isn&#8217;t the real issue actually- people, especially critics of singapore, assumed that when the government allowed gay bars to operate, acknowledged the presence of gay civil servants, and called for greater tolerance of &#8216;diversity&#8217; among Singaporeans, it was all to chase the &#8216;ink dollar.&#8217;Critics were quick to sneer at the &#8216;mercenary nature&#8217; of the government.<br />
Of course, the police refusal to grant the permit has shot down this notion. There are  many people who are genuinely discomforted by blatant displays of homosexuality. And rightly or wrongly, the government has to consider the feelings of this majority. One only needs to read letters sent to the local daily to confirm this.<br />
Contrary to stereotypes of Singapore being cold,  clinical, and a &#8216;nanny state&#8217;, things are never that simple. The problem is not solely due to the &#8216;bureaucrats&#8217;. even in the US, Europe, and Australia, its citizens are still grappling with legalizing gay marriage, allowing gay priests into the church, and genuine public acceptance of people with homosexual inclinations. As Singaporean society matures (it has only enjoyed 40 years of independence), people will naturally become more tolerant.</p>
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		<title>By: TuTu</title>
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		<dc:creator>TuTu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Keeping their heads down" might be one of the things they don't want to see!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Keeping their heads down&#8221; might be one of the things they don&#8217;t want to see!</p>
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		<title>By: andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.serialdeviant.org/weblog/2004/12/15/no-gay-christmas-orgy-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-7668</link>
		<dc:creator>andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is the USA becoming more and more like Singapore, or is it the converse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is the USA becoming more and more like Singapore, or is it the converse?</p>
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		<title>By: eldan</title>
		<link>http://www.serialdeviant.org/weblog/2004/12/15/no-gay-christmas-orgy-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-7621</link>
		<dc:creator>eldan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's just like America really:  Singapore is a progressive place for that subset of the arts and culture which the President enjoys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just like America really:  Singapore is a progressive place for that subset of the arts and culture which the President enjoys.</p>
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